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CED Digest Vol. 5 No. 50  •  12/16/2000


Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:29:04 -0500
From: Bill Vermillion <bill>
To: Tom Howe <>
Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 5 No. 49
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Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park


> From: StereoBoy
> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:35:26 EST
> Subject: VHD Item for CED Digest
> To:

> Well, I just received a Victor HD-7900 VHD player (circa 1985) and
> a slew of discs from Japan and all I can say is that VHD is what
> CED SHOULD have been. For those of you who arn't familiar with
> VHD, it was a disc system developed by JVC (Victor in Japan) that
> used a stylus and capacitance variations to store information,
> just like CED. It differed significantly however in that the disc
> size was only 10.2 inches and the discs had no grooves.

RCA's decision to use a groove in order to elminate a servo
control was IMO their biggest mistake.  The JVC [Japanese Victor]
had a data track and an embedded servo track and stylus rode over
the top like a sled.

To save money RCA used the capacitance method for only the video.
In lieu of servo they used grooves on the disk.  The stylus rode
in the groove and the cartridge in which the stylus was mounted
was attached to an arm which was desgigned to be perpendicular
the groove.

The arm had a hole with bearing through the back of the arm, and
through the hole was a rotating shaft.  As the stylus tracked
the arm ceased being exactly 90 degrees to the shaft and small
'wheels' then contacted the shaft and were set in motion by it, and
moved the arm in the direction of the stylus movement to bring it
to be perpendicular again.

The idea was to save money by using what amounted to a mechanical
servo.   Big mistake. Not knowing the engineering decisons which
caused this, the choice may have been made early in the game
where the electronic servo in the JVC was not seen as financially

Previously RCA had dumped $400,000.000 in reasarch on developing
their own VCR before scrapping it and buying the VHS technology.

At this time RCA also seemed to have 'revolving door CEOs', where
the head man seemed to get change every coulple of years.  One of
the first moves the new person in charge seemed to do, was to kill
projects from previous management.

This, in my opinion, is why RCA exists only as brand name for
a consumer electronics division of Thompson of France in the
consumer electronics market. [The RCA CD's brand is owned by
Berelesman's music division - BMG].

I alway thought it was ironic [I guess that's the word] that
the brand RCA - which stood for Radio Corporation of America
wound up being owned by a company that was at least partially owned
by the French government, given that in that era the French did not
seem to particularly care for anything American.


Bill Vermillion -   bv @ wjv . com

From: Cleggsan
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:08:25 EST
Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 5 No. 49

>  From: StereoBoy
>  Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:35:26 EST
>  Subject: VHD Item for CED Digest
>  To:
>  I'm very, very impressed with VHD and truly feel that had it been 
>  in the US as initially planned, it would have buried CED and severely hurt
>  the LD market. The picture is great, the discs don't skip and the system 
>  all kinds of nice features. It's too bad RCA didn't join with JVC to
>  standardize the system.
>  If anyone has any questions about the discs or player, please don't 
>  to write me at, and I'll try to answer them.
>  Cheers!
>  Ty C.

VHD had a very good run in Japan and was used primarily for Karaoke, although 
there were many movies released as well.  Yes, it is a good system and was 
designed by the same group of engineers that invented the original VHS 
system.  Mr. Inoue, since deceased, was a visionary engineer at Victor  and 
gave much of the incentive and funding for development of VHD.   I know some 
of the engineers who developed the system and they are probably available for 
Q and A if any one is interested.  There are many sources of VHD discs and 
players; but mostly in Japan.  If anyone wants more information, let me know.

From: Cleggsan
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:15:20 EST
Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 5 No. 49

For VHD information in Japan:

Best place to start is maybe Mr. Vic Goh, retired, but still working in 
Japan. He was with Victor for many years, both in USA and in Japan, and has 
lots of knowledge about VHD (and even more about CD-4).

His email address is: (Vic Goh)

and I think he can put you on to some of the collectors and others who are 
still active with VHD. If Mr. Goh does not reply with sufficient information, 
please let me know and I will refer you to others, but Mr. Goh is personal 
friend of mine and is very nice man.


From: "Bud Brown" <budbrown>
To: <>
Subject: CED VideoDiscs for sale
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:42:52 -0800

For sale  - RCA CED Videodiscs (obviously not LaserDiscs)
All appear to be in decent shape, some really good, and some are more shopworn- 
someappear to be previous rental copies.  Who knows, maybe they all were, but 
I doubt it.  I am unsure because I am not the original owner.  Some have little 
video rental labels, some don't.  I have a USB PC camera on my system so I can 
take photos of any title or titles you wish to see.  I have no player 
unfortunately so I can't offer a guarantee of condition but if anyone is 
willing to swing by Sacramento, California with a player you may play any or 
all of them if you wish.
That being said, I will list the titles - Some are two disc movies - please 
note, a couple of the two disc movies are missing one disc.  I will note the 
UPC number for each disc and notate if a disc is missing.  Most stickers are on 
the front unless I note otherwise.  As physical condition varies and you are a 
serious buyer please feel free to ask for some photos of the disk to ensure you 
will be satisfied with its condition.  I would rather have these sit here 
forever than have you unhappy.
Single Discs
Against All Odds076476140052        VideoStore sticker, plus 
small yellow and red sticker
...All The Marbles074643817127Video store sticker
The Blue Lagoon076476030032
Breathless                   076476019136
Brian's Song                 076476030421Small white sticker
ClassOf 1984                028485050228
Disney Cartoon Parade V.1    076476007096Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker, plus small white
                                                    sticker in back
Forced Vengeance             027616101891Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
Gidget076476040482Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
Gotcha!04789740188            Small blue sticker says "New"
Harry & Son028485050372           Magic marker writing on front 
"29.98" is crossed out, 14.99
                                                    written underneath
Jaws 2047897120107
Knock On Any Door            076476030438
Losin' It                    042995206166Large white price sticker "19.99"
Rocky II076476014285Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
Rocky III076476134211Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
Star 80025757200138Video Store sticker, plus two 
small labels appear to have been
                                                    removed (some adhesive and 
                                                    still there)
Swing Shift025757113766           
To Sir With Love             076476030810
Zapped!042995160468Video Store sticker
Complete Two Disc Sets
Amadeus (Disc 1)             076476122515-10        Small sticker appears to have 
been removed
Amadeus (Disc 2)             076476122515-20        Video Store sticker
Guns Of Navarone(Disc 1)    076476030148-10
Guns Of Navarone(Disc 2)    076476030148-20
The Hustler (Disc 1)         024543100690-10         Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white and a smallred sticker
The Hustler(Disc 2)         024543100690-20         Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white and a small blue sticker
One Flew Over The
Cuckoo's Nest(Disc 1)       076476020088-10        Video Store sticker, plus 
silver mylar sticker
One Flew Over The
Cuckoo's Nest(Disc 2)       076476020088-20        Video Store sticker, plus 
silver mylar sticker and small white sticker
True Grit (Disc 1)076476006082-10        Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
True Grit (Disc 2)076476006082-20        Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
Incomplete Sets
An Officer And
A Gentleman(Disc 1)         076476036072-10        Video Store sticker
The Godfather
Part II (Disc 1)             076476006440-10        Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white sticker
Greystoke - The Legend
Of Tarzan - Lord Of
The Apes(Disc 1)            025757113759-10       
The Last Valley(Disc 1)     024543802594-10        Video Store sticker, plus a 
small white and a small blue sticker

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:30:49 -0800
From: Neil Wagner <orac>
To: _CED Magic mail list <>
Subject: VHD info

Crossposted from the newsgroup -

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 lislis (Kirk Bayne) wrote:
> The November 1982 issue of the SMPTE Journal (page 1071) has a
> technical description of the VHD Videodisc system:
> NTSC - 900 RPM
> Color - NTSC carrier moved from 3.58MHz to 2.56MHz (similar to CED)
> FM audio noise reduction system - DE = Dynamic range Expansion
> Kirk Bayne
> e-mail delete yesHORMEL


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