CED VideoDisc and Player Discussion

[blindfury420]

Figured I would show you guys my latest score!
First up is the 6 workin players! SJT-100, SJT-200, SKT-400, SGT-200 w, SGT-250, SGT-250 !





All of them needed a good cleaning, the 400 had horrible waves and the please load disc text was shaky and bleeding hard. But thanks to cedatums workshop, cleaning one spot underneath player with contact cleaner made it look flawless again!

One sgt-250 needed the metal tabs (drive poles) underneath turntable adjusted which fixed color fade problem and of course all players were greased oiled and cleaned. The j/k players had their turntables corrected and adjusted too!

The SGT-200 w was taken apart and needed to be assembled which I did and now it works again!

Now on to the disc's!











Prototype caddies? Can anyone actually give an exact answer?









Grey unlabeled caddies handwritten titles.





Now these ones have me scratchin my head
There is only about 5-7 different caddies the guy used but it seems like they were left over and he was able to put a new release in it and took it home early!
Clearly something is up because you don't have 15 wild bunch caddies all with movies that are not wild bunch in them!



Top it off with a test press?



Oh yeah 23 styli and alot of belts!!!! Also forgot to say 6th picture of disc's has like 30-50 unlabeled white caddies with handwritten titles?
2 story of O's one in cello still and a walk through the universe which I'll post those pics later!!
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McMicheal 5001h
Hitachi VIP202P
JCP 686-5705
RCA SKT265, SKT300
RCA SJT400X, SJT425

[Rixrex]

Wow, that's all great stuff you got there. Was it a long trip?

Now how about also putting up an update about what's going on with the LD player? Would like to hear about that too. And a photo or two.

Excuse me please for being a little provincial, ha!

[blindfury420]

It was about 10 hours there and 10 hours back but well worth it to me! My dad is getting old these days so when we can do stuff like this its a good thing , makes memories and I guess he gets a kick outta see me enjoy stuff! My sister went with us too, my Dad, sister and I dont get to do much together so that was cool too! Also it made driving pretty easy, I drove 6-7 hours first day on the way there! As for laserdisc's.... not a problem I will get a pic and show you all of my laser disc stuff too!! hahah be right back!











And the whole reson I bought a laserdisc player was for this very rare ld movie called RAD



If you got one or can find one I will buy it again!!!!!!!!
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McMicheal 5001h
Hitachi VIP202P
JCP 686-5705
RCA SKT265, SKT300
RCA SJT400X, SJT425

[Jesse Skeen]

That CLD-D502 was the first real laserdisc player I got, after going through 2 old top-loading ones. The laser on it currently sticks while changing sides, and I haven't been motivated to bother with it since it lacks the sound outputs for AC3 and DTS.

A couple years ago I got a bunch of discs from an Ebay seller in Indiana that were from an RCA employee, I have "Nutty Professor" with that same handwriting on the spine, even though the title is already printed there. I was lucky enough to get Walk Through the Universe from another Ebay lot, only clue as to its being there was the spine in a photo, and the seller would not ship but he was close enough to me to drive. The only grey caddy I have is an Avon disc, which I need to transfer to DVD and post on YouTube along with my other CED oddities. (Just got and watched the RCA Video Communications #3 disc, where the factory tour first appeared.)
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[blindfury420]

oooo crap an avon disc?!! (cannot believe I typed that hahah) please do record an up to the tube please. That one has always had me wondering what in the hell could that be? There is a few of them too do you have all?
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McMicheal 5001h
Hitachi VIP202P
JCP 686-5705
RCA SKT265, SKT300
RCA SJT400X, SJT425

[Jesse Skeen]

I have 3 Avon discs (found them all on Ebay simply by looking in the right place at the right time.) The grey caddy is some convention thing, I also have a 10-minute speech by some lady named Mildred in a white caddy with a simple label the size of one for a VHS tape, and one with a regular printed cover (will try to post pics if I can get my camera hooked up) which has some sales tips for the Christmas season. I think there were at least 2 others, there was also a series done for a travel agency which I've never seen.
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[Rixrex]

That 502 is a good one for you to start with. Simple and smart looking, a nice match to the CED players. I hope you got your remote for it too. Did you win the auction?

Jesse, you probably know this already but anyway the CLD 502 is one of the series of Pioneers that have that problem of not flipping properly to turn to side B, often cause in shipping. As long as the shipping transit screw has been removed, then the problem is within the plastic holder for the optical drive motor mounted at the optics. Two gears move the optics. One of the gear mounting pins is most likely broken. At side change you're losing the gear mesh. This may also give a "U" code.

The plastic part that is the replacement is Pioneer part number VNL1779. It is cheap (less than $5) and you can order it from Pioneer. You'll have to remove the optical pickup to be able to replace the part, however. An alternative is to relegate it to single side status at a secondary TV. If you press the A side button rather than the play button, it will only play side A without an attempt to flip.

By the way, Julien at LDDB has started a nice LD player and obsolete format forum, that even has a board for CEDs only there. It would be nice to have a few posts there from folks other than myself supporting the CED format. You need to see what misconceptions I've had to correct so far.

Link is: http://forum.lddb.com/

[blindfury420]

I feel it would just be a flame war over there Things didnt start out so hot over there for ced. ld is on a 20 ft horse sadly
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Hitachi VIP202P
JCP 686-5705
RCA SKT265, SKT300
RCA SJT400X, SJT425

[Rixrex]

Not really if you keep a level head and show appreciation for all the unwanted orphaned formats that the general public never understood nor took seriously.

That's what I try to do there and so far it has turned out okay. Same like here when I talk about LDs. The formats should not be incompatible for collectors. The few there that are on the high horses are a minority and are easy to disarm since they don't have reason, logic or facts on their side.

And the Administator, Julien Wilke, is a good friend of CEDs who can be counted upon for fairness, as witnessed by his inclusive and marvelous student project that has become an eminent website search domain for the obscure formats we enjoy, LDDB.com.

In it you can find all those CEDs that were never released on LD with cross-referencing, and see what classics of the format were released on HD DVD as well.

[blindfury420]

I get ya. You know I have never dogged ld in any way and we have talked about em for sure! I know I would never get out of line either, it's just why deal with that off that bat? I am sure I'll be in there sooner or later, it's just a bummer to see that right from the start.
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McMicheal 5001h
Hitachi VIP202P
JCP 686-5705
RCA SKT265, SKT300
RCA SJT400X, SJT425

[Beetlescott]

[Beetlescott]

Ryan, you have a Great Addition there! That would be worth 20 hours to me!!!!
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SGT-250
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[Rixrex]

[Beetlescott]

[ketonic_dude]

Thanks for the pics Ryan. Did you ever find out what those discs are with the square corners? I would love to see The Story of O disc, and A Walk Through the Universe. Did you get Birth of a Nation and Suspicion? Was there cover art for those or were they in blank or unrelated caddy's?

Rix, I went to the LDDB forum and made a post. Interesting to read some of it. CED and Laserdiscs and two different beasts and really have nothing in common other than they are both dead movie formats. I also enjoy both but prefer CED. I did see that mikeystoys was there. I bought some CED's from him on ebay a while back, lol.

Well it's been fun but I have stuff to do. Later guys.

[Rixrex]

I think that LDs and CEDs, once you start getting into the way they work, have as many similaroties as differences. Each format went into different directions mostly having to do with the laser technology advancements that helped improve LDs image quality, not considering snooty peoples' attitudes.

The very first LDs from the early 80s were comparatively equal to CEDs at the time, with maybe a very slight advantage as things progressed toward the mid-80s. I recall many articles comparing the two from around 1982, and often they were considered fairly equal in image reproduction quality, around 280-300 lines of resolution.

Later on, around 1984-85, LDs would improve to about 340 and then after CEDs shutdown, to 425.

One thing where CEDs seem to have an edge over early LDs as time passes is playability. CEDs seem to be holding up very well to age where some LDs are exhibiting signs of degradation in the disc where they are glued together to mate sides A and B. That's mostly the early 80s discs.

[ketonic_dude]

They may be similar reguarding video and audio but I meant physically they have nothing in common, it's like comparing records and CD's. They are two different animals. Persoanally I could care less about which has more resolution or better audio or more features. I'm all about the physical aspect. While laserdiscs do have great cover art, especially the 2 disc movies that open like a book, but personally I just think CED's look way cooler. Just the fact that most people look at them and say what the hell is that? Makes me prefer CED. I think a lot more people know what laserdiscs look like or have at least heard of them. But when you talk about degradation, that's one of the biggest reasons it took me so long to warm up to even starting a LD collection is I had heard so much about the poor quality and laser rot. It took talking to quite a few people on the laserdisc facebook groups to finally get a handle on the rot issue and realize it's really not that bad but it is still one more reason I like me my CED's!

[Rixrex]

Well, what I said was that they are just as similar as they are different.

They are more similar than just the fact that they provide video and audio. If that were the only criteria then Beta and VHS would be just as similar, which of course is not the case.

Beyond some routine physical similarities, the similarities extend to the process and science of storing the data and retrieving it, while the physical methods are different, the general science is the same. In fact, while LDs look like giant DVDs, the data storage is more similar to CEDs.

Mechanically, CEDs are great fun for collectors because of the intricate, almost Rube Goldberg style of physical processes, especially in the SJT/SKT models. However, I would venture to say that the mechanical process of a two-sided LD player is just as much fun to watch and just as intricate, relying upon a series of synchronized movements and switches as well.

The attraction of the disc caddy and never touching the CED itself is undoubtedly a plus. At the same time, LD box sets and gatefold jackets are also attractive. Both have artwork that is superb and some that is lesser.

So I've never considered them as competing for collectibility or desirability, but as complementary media formats.