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CED Prototypes Robin Hood & Gene Littler added to collec

 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:56 pm    Post subject: CED Prototypes Robin Hood & Gene Littler added to collec Reply with quote

You guys might have seen these recently auctioned off down by the bay.
I was the winner of both auctions and they have been added to my collection.

Whenever I score something cool, rare and or unique, I like to create a thread to share them.

I'm super stoked to showcase these with you! Two prototypes!

Robin Hood. A 2 disc set. Check out the awesome, colorful box art!










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Gene Littler












"The first CED prototype discs were multi-layered, consisting of a vinyl substrate, nickel conductive layer, glow-discharge insulating layer and silicone lubricant top layer. Failure to fully solve the stylus/disc wear and manufacturing complexity forced RCA to seek simpler construction of the disc. The final disc was crafted using PVC blended with carbon to make the disc conductive. To preserve stylus and groove life, a thin layer of silicone was applied to the disc as a lubricant.

CED videodiscs were originally conceived as being housed in jackets and handled by hand similar to LP records, but during testing it was shown that exposure to dust caused skipped grooves. If dust was allowed to settle on the discs, the dust would absorb moisture from the air and cement the dust particle to the disc surface, causing the stylus to jump back in a locked groove situation. Thus, an idea was developed in which the disc would be stored and handled in a plastic caddy from which the CED would be extracted by the player so that exposure to dust would be minimized."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc



For future collectable researchers:
My total costs, at ebay auction, no reserve, on Feb. 2024 were:
Robin hood - $169.03
Gene Littler $93.54


To any of you whom I outbid, sorry!....... But not "too" sorry, know what I mean? Wink

At least I get to share them with you all for free this way though.

Enjoy!


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Direct link to my collection in alphabetical order:

https://ibb.co/album/vCk800?sort=name_asc



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The discs are translucent. If you hold them up to the light, you can see through them.

Robin Hood is labeled as Disc #10020

Engraved on both sides, of both discs, it reads:
Robin Hood - Color - Side (1-4 depending on disc and side) - RCA and Selectavision are Tradmarks of RCA Corp. Made in USA. 10020

Disc 1, side 1, holds a sticker, reading:
16-85
2151
F
Disc 1, side 2, holds a sticker reading:
16-85
2151
B
Disc 2, side 3, holds a sticker reading:
17-18
1151
F
Disc 2, side 4, holds a sticker reading:
17-18
1151
B

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Gene Littler is labeled as Disc #10021

Engraved on both sides of the disc, it reads:
Gene Littler - Color - Side (1-2 depending on disc side) - RCA and Selectavision are Tradmarks of RCA Corp. Made in USA. 10021



Note: The plastic center insert, of the plastic tray reading "Remove and Discard" was missing from Robin Hood. I took it from my other prototype disc "Gene Littler" to make this, higher priced set, more complete, than when I purchased it.
Robin Hood & Gene Littler were both purchased by the same seller of California, at the same time, in different ebay auction listings.
The seller informed me, he purchased them in the SF east bay area, at an estate sale.

After documentation and photographed, they are now together inside a large ziplock bag, being stored in a cool, dry place with my CED collection.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:45 am    Post subject: Awesome discs! Reply with quote

Wow! Those discs are really neat! I've never seen any discs like them before, and I'm glad they went to a good owner like you. They are historic treasures in the history of CED, so cherish them! The instruction to "remove and discard" seems unusual; I wonder why it would be on there in the first place if you're supposed to keep it for storage.



I don't know if you ever saw it, but last year, I saw a Lum Fong disc for sale on E Bay, which is really hard to find, so I posted a message about on here.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Awesome discs! Reply with quote

lynx wrote:
Wow! Those discs are really neat! I've never seen any discs like them before, and I'm glad they went to a good owner like you. They are historic treasures in the history of CED, so cherish them! The instruction to "remove and discard" seems unusual; I wonder why it would be on there in the first place if you're supposed to keep it for storage.



I don't know if you ever saw it, but last year, I saw a Lum Fong disc for sale on E Bay, which is really hard to find, so I posted a message about on here.


Thanks, man! Yeah, I'm super stoked. I had never seen anything like these before either. I take it, not too many have, because when these came up, I tried researching them here and basically came up empty.

The most I could find was here:

https://www.cedmagic.com/history/ced-metallized-section.html
https://www.cedmagic.com/history/ced-1977-vs-1982.html


Apparently these disc in tray prototypes, were late 70's (if not, 1977 specifically, as noted in Toms articles and as stated on the "Gene Littler" sleeve. with the date written "4/18/77 on it.


That Lum Fong, I did see and it was priced way beyond anything I was willing to spend. Wasn't it like 7 or 8 hundred dollars or something?
Anyway, that one if memory serves, I think was one the very first,prototypes in the early 70's. I want to say '73. They came only in a paper sleeve like an audio record, if I recall correctly. It was just a few months ago I think where you had posted that.

I suspect all prototypes are as rare as hens teeth. Just think how long this has been tucked away in some old timers attic...... probably long since forgotten, until he passed away. Long since forgotten to the world.

It makes one wonder, what other treasures are stored away in folks homes, and how many even recall storing them away, in the first place?

Now theses two are back in circulation, documented and known to the world again. Can't wait to see what pops up next! Very Happy



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On a side note, if it can be seen in photos or not, I'm pretty sure it can; but there are some finger prints (not mine! I was VERY careful) and some dust and other dirty spots on these.
I dare not clean them!...................... but I know I probably should! I'm open to suggestions based on what we know these are made of, from wiki and Tom's article (I didn't look, but wiki might very well be Tom's source anyway.)

isopropyl alcohol. followed by a rinsing with distilled water? I wont be touching them unless instructed by someone who professes to KNOW 100% what the best thing to do is. I know enough to know, since I don't know, not to touch them, before I know! hahaha



OH! Here's Lum Fong info right here:
https://www.cedmagic.com/featured/lum-fong/lum-fong.html

There's also a brief mention of it on the wiki page also. I remember that from yesterday now, too.


Ah, yes, as suspected the wiki page does in fact use Tom's page as it's source AND I also found this just yesterday, also:
http://cedmagic.com/history/ced-1977-vs-1982.html

That seems to be a different way to the same info, but note the included photo of what appears to be Robin Hood prototype, or at least a matched sleeve to my Robin Hood copy.


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